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	<description>Mike Burrows (@asplake) moving on up</description>
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		<title>Comment on Real Kanban Questions #3: What makes for a good improvement? by Speed Is A Unique Selling Point – itkanban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speed Is A Unique Selling Point – itkanban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t suppose the done debate is over (not on this evidence!) but I&#039;m happy to change the question.  It&#039;s meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t suppose the done debate is over (not on this evidence!) but I&#8217;m happy to change the question.  It&#8217;s meaningless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right - in Stockholm I mentioned Apple and Amazon to Bob Marshall as companies that don&#039;t fit his Righshifting model either. Clearly there many dimensions to company performance, and the exceptional companies are, well, exceptional, difficult to extrapolate from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right &#8211; in Stockholm I mentioned Apple and Amazon to Bob Marshall as companies that don&#8217;t fit his Righshifting model either. Clearly there many dimensions to company performance, and the exceptional companies are, well, exceptional, difficult to extrapolate from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Siddharta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddharta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, about Denning&#039;s book &amp; his analysis on Scrum -- he has a blog on Forbes where he has gone into some detail about it. The main reason is the focus on self-organisation and empowerment which is a key step in his radical management theory.

Interestingly, Apple &amp; Amazon are both on his admired company list. But, as I posted in the kanbandev mailing list a few months ago, both companies are notorious for being hierarchical &amp; full of micromanagement [1]. It just so happens that they have had visionary leaders who are able to read the market very well (top-down innovation). So there is certainly some contradiction between what the self organisation theory tells us and what is happening in successful companies in practice.

[1] https://plus.google.com/112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX#112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, about Denning&#8217;s book &amp; his analysis on Scrum &#8212; he has a blog on Forbes where he has gone into some detail about it. The main reason is the focus on self-organisation and empowerment which is a key step in his radical management theory.</p>
<p>Interestingly, Apple &amp; Amazon are both on his admired company list. But, as I posted in the kanbandev mailing list a few months ago, both companies are notorious for being hierarchical &amp; full of micromanagement [1]. It just so happens that they have had visionary leaders who are able to read the market very well (top-down innovation). So there is certainly some contradiction between what the self organisation theory tells us and what is happening in successful companies in practice.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="https://plus.google.com/112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX#112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX#112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Siddharta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddharta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The definition of done debate is not over. Just because you deploy something and one of your metrics increases doesnt mean you deployed the right thing. The book itself has many examples of improvements which improved metrics but eventually the company had to go for a radical pivot, and throw away the changes. 

There is no way to say once in for all that something is done, it is just a matter of where you decide it is done - either at the code point, or deploy point, or validation point, or later on. 

Furthermore, some validations come early, some come late. When you get hundred sign ups a week on a B2C product, you can easily split test a change and validate in days. If its a B2B product with a 6 month sales cycle then a split test is not possible. 

I found 4 steps to be more deep because it approached the topic from a business point of view. Its a dense book to read (college textbook really), but lots of insights. By contrast I found Lean Startup too be too focused only on building the product -- a web oriented, B2C, high volume product (like IMVU) is implied for most of the book. There is nothing in lean startup  about marketing or sales techniques for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of done debate is not over. Just because you deploy something and one of your metrics increases doesnt mean you deployed the right thing. The book itself has many examples of improvements which improved metrics but eventually the company had to go for a radical pivot, and throw away the changes. </p>
<p>There is no way to say once in for all that something is done, it is just a matter of where you decide it is done &#8211; either at the code point, or deploy point, or validation point, or later on. </p>
<p>Furthermore, some validations come early, some come late. When you get hundred sign ups a week on a B2C product, you can easily split test a change and validate in days. If its a B2B product with a 6 month sales cycle then a split test is not possible. </p>
<p>I found 4 steps to be more deep because it approached the topic from a business point of view. Its a dense book to read (college textbook really), but lots of insights. By contrast I found Lean Startup too be too focused only on building the product &#8212; a web oriented, B2C, high volume product (like IMVU) is implied for most of the book. There is nothing in lean startup  about marketing or sales techniques for example.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Siddharta,.  I do genuinely think Lean Startup has done us a good service. Aren&#039;t you tired of those &quot;definition of done&quot; debates?  I&#039;ve not read Four Steps to the Epiphany, but the order you read certainly makes a difference, could be that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Siddharta,.  I do genuinely think Lean Startup has done us a good service. Aren&#8217;t you tired of those &#8220;definition of done&#8221; debates?  I&#8217;ve not read Four Steps to the Epiphany, but the order you read certainly makes a difference, could be that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Siddharta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddharta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I found Lean Startup to be extremely shallow... Perhaps my expectations were too high, or maybe it was because I had already read his blog &amp; Four Steps To The Epiphany before so validated learning wasn&#039;t a new concept... either way, I would recommend Four Steps To The Epiphany over this one -- now thats a deep book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I found Lean Startup to be extremely shallow&#8230; Perhaps my expectations were too high, or maybe it was because I had already read his blog &amp; Four Steps To The Epiphany before so validated learning wasn&#8217;t a new concept&#8230; either way, I would recommend Four Steps To The Epiphany over this one &#8212; now thats a deep book.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, you have reminded me to check the &quot;Books&quot; tag on all my relevant posts.  There is no shortage of good reading material!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, you have reminded me to check the &#8220;Books&#8221; tag on all my relevant posts.  There is no shortage of good reading material!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A new box on top of old boxes by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jabe, yes. I&#039;m not suggesting that we start mucking with it right away, but let&#039;s hope that we end up with something that&#039;s simpler than what we started with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jabe, yes. I&#8217;m not suggesting that we start mucking with it right away, but let&#8217;s hope that we end up with something that&#8217;s simpler than what we started with!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean reading marathon by Tom Howlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, this list is just what I have been looking for. Been &#039;doing&#039; Scrum and now Kanban for a few years and have been looking to learn more about the non software dev routes of the principles. I&#039;ve now got a stocked up amazon wich list just waiting for christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, this list is just what I have been looking for. Been &#8216;doing&#8217; Scrum and now Kanban for a few years and have been looking to learn more about the non software dev routes of the principles. I&#8217;ve now got a stocked up amazon wich list just waiting for christmas!</p>
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